FUTABA-RC

That took longer than I expected. There is no left/right in this except in the minds of people who see everything through that lens. As far as the left wanting to squash dissent, that is just too ironic for words.

astrohog

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If you are going to claim that I insulted you and posted ANY lie, please do the responsible thing and quote/post it. Until you do that, keep your unfounded accusations to yourself.

Astro

astrohog

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Not even worth a response.

Astro

ECHO24

AMA rules are the de facto standard for ALL RC flying, not just members,and will be until FRIAs are rolled out. Since 336 every
drone owner has been required to follow the rules of a "community-based organization, AMA being the only one, as a result of the
CBO scam.

AMA has no authority over those people, so what difference would the "power of punishment" (whatever that is) make to the lawless
culture of RC? Isn't that the whole problem, AMA wanting forced members but someone else to police them? And at the same time
tying the FAA's hands with 366. With FRIAs it no longer matters anyway. FRIAs are cut off the outside world.

If it was up to the FAA we wouldn't even have FRIAs, going by the NPRM. That rebuke was no doubt over AMA's president a month
earlier telling RC flyers they don't need to comply with the law. That's AMA's idea of enforcing the "rules".

@ speedracertrixie

I'd say that isn't Franklin. It's not his tone or style of writing: "And just for giggles".
I don't see Franklin giggling. I also don't see Franklin threatening anyone. Furthermore,
for anyone just banned it would be stupid and Franklin is not stupid.

There are plenty other AMA critics banned from there who could have created
that account. I wouldn't be so quick to accuse Franklin without evidence.

speedracerntrixie

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Echo, you are correct I don't have any evidence that Franklin wrote that post, just as he has no evidence that I was the reason he was banned from RCG, or that I posted a link to his personal information or that I created the account Mach5nchimchim here on RCU but it did not stop him from making those accusations. If he wants to cry over the way he is being treated perhaps he should look at the way he treats others first.

I predict it will take less then 30 minutes for Astro to put his spin on my comments above.

franklin_m

Of which there are many off topic threads, and yet YOU singled out mine as part of a personal vendetta because, God forbid, can actually point to specific actions, specific spending, specific decisions, and monumental strategic errors of your beloved AMA. If the title of the forum is "Advocacy", then how is Speedy not equally active getting these folks sanctioned for being "off topic" in the "Advocacy" forum?But he reality is that Speedy (and the RCG mods) are perfectly fine with off topic posts in that forum, as the threads above and many others demonstrate. But what gets their you know whats in a bunch is is when it's off topic AND about the AMA. The proof is evident by the very different way off topic posts on that forum are handled. Again, NO action by Speedy on any of the great many off topic posts in that forum, just on mine. Gee, what's different? Oh yes, mine discuss his beloved AMA. So it's either personal or a way of shutting down dissent about AMA. Pick one, I really don't care, as his motives are evident by his actions.

What's funny is that your lack of action on many other off topic posts, compared to actions on just mine, show your true motivation.

Speedy my friend, I didn't do it. Candidly, I wish it was me, as it was pretty well written and quite an accurate appraisal. But if it makes you happy to believe it, then go right ahead. Because you know what? Despite shutting down dissent on the other site, your beloved AMA is still dying. Just because you don't read about in those forums any more doesn't make it any less true.

franklin_m

Uh, you did post the complaint above did you not? And it was VERY shortly after that I got an initial infraction, then a very sudden flurry of them. Almost like someone (gee, wonder who) was making multiple complaints.

That I'm saving for potential action using other venues...

speedracerntrixie

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Franklin, as I said before the post that I pictured here was the only complaint that I made about your off topic threads. Regardless, had you not broken the rules over there MULTIPLE times then nothing I would have said would have caused your banishment. What you are saying is a kin to being pulled over for speeding and trying to justify it pointing out that everyone was speeding.

Obviously you felt the NEED to create off topic threads over there in spite of it breaking the rules. Sound familiar? Don't you criticize others for their NEED to ly over 400'? Oh but wait, I know you will come back with one being a site rule and one being law, claiming a big difference does you would be right. Of course at the root of that is that you felt you were entitled to create off topic in the same manner as you feel entitled to talk to anyone in any manner you wish because you feel you are right. Guess what bud, you don't need to be an a__ h___ to get your point across.

Again, note that this thread was on topic and did not degrade to a personal level until you and Astro came in and started with your usual sarcastic crap.

franklin_m

No, I merely noted that you were so proud of your complaint that you posted it here. Yet no similar action against any number of other off topic posts. So it's not me that's creating the singular action, it's you. But again, that's ok. Why? Because despite your actions to shut down alternative voices to protect your beloved AMA, it is still dying. And that was before COVID. Remember, toy planes come from discretionary money, and with unemployment approaching 20%, there won't be much of that.

And yes, there is a big difference between willfully breaking a law, and putting manned aircraft and people on the ground at risk due to that act, and publishing something that you perceive is off topic in a forum.

And guess what? If your beloved AMA wasn't as screwed up as I've pointed out, it wouldn't need folks like you to shut down dissent - in vain attempt to keep it from it's ultimate demise due to lack of funds as a result of their monumental strategic mistakes ... ones they continue to repeat.

astrohog

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Actually that is not true. I am still waiting for you to back up your accusations. In fact, I can probably count ten posts where I have asked you to clarify your position or statements with facts, but you just ignore them and keep flaming those who don't step in line with your views.

Just because you don't like what I say, doesn't make it sarcastic or personal, unlike your name-calling and other disparaging remarks. Quit calling the kettle black.

Astro

ECHO24

You're talking to the wrong guy. I also got kicked out of there by the AMA crybabies whining to the moderators.
By your own admission you turned in Franklin. Like Franklin said, anything goes unless it's negative about AMA.

They're so far in the tank that Jason Cole once did a feature on a tethered multi-rotor window washer claiming
it too was a "model aircraft". Tell me that's not living the AMA drone-is-a-model aircraft dream!

What I don't get is why you're here when you could be over at that other forum enjoying the warm glow of
AMA propaganda and semi-literate constitutional experts.

speedracerntrixie

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Last I checked this is America and I am free to go where I please.

I suppose you could say I tuned him in but that does not mean that he wasn't breaking the site rules in the first place. Hmmm shoot the messenger? I've heard that phrase many times in Franklin's defense. From his posts here today I get the feeling that he will spend the next few years grinding his axe against the AMA and RCG.

ECHO24

Sounds like you beef is you can't get Franklin kicked out here.

speedracerntrixie

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My beef is that he is pushing to end the aspect of the hobby that I enjoy to satisfy his own vengeance against the AMA.

Hydro Junkie

Could you show me where Franklin has called for the AMA to be dissolved/shut down? What I see him mainly saying, repeatedly, is that Rich Hanson needs to be fired for his actions and the AMA needs to learn to spend member's dues in a fiscally responsible manner. I've never seen him post anything that said to discontinue pattern flying or glider competitions. He's pushed for transparency in what the EC is doing and to have the minutes of meetings disseminated to members in a reasonable time, not having to wait until the next month or longer. He's pushed for dropping the quest to get drones under the AMA's umbrella as we all know they want nothing to do with being under Rich Hanson's thumb. Please show me where I've misread any of that

speedracerntrixie

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He has said numerous times that he supports the 400' altitude limit and he is against the FRIA concept. Those two items should they go as he wishes would end IMAC, Pattern and Soaring.

You may want to read that again, I did not claim he is trying to shut down the AMA.

astrohog

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You are wasting your breath with Speed, we all are. He is all about himself and his precious competition. He could care less about the jet guys, the giant scale guys, etc. it's all about him and the recognition and admiration he gets from his minions, not the others that enjoy this hobby. Seen it before many times, in fact he hit the nail on the head earlier when he mentioned the, "in crowd". That is what it is all about for him, being "the man". Unfortunately, those are the same guys in the "good ole boy club" that have absolutely sucked the fun and enjoyment out of this hobby for many and run many a fine club into the ground.

Astro

astrohog

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Careful, your true colors are showing again. You REALLY think Franklin's issues are with YOU? Pretty self-important, aren't we? LOL

Astro

Hydro Junkie

I agree with him on the 400 foot limit. I also feel that if a club wants to exceed that limit, the FAA should be contacted so they know about it in advance. As I said in an earlier post, the group that hosted an event that contacted the FAA first did it right. The FAA had no problem with it and let them proceed, nothing wrong with that. The issue is "droners" that just fly where and when they want. The 400 foot limit is primarily aimed at them, not you or your hobbies. I called out two "droners" for flying in downtown Seattle when this whole thing started. One was recording the observation deck of the Space Needle(which is 500 feet AGL) and then flew down the street and started recording inside apartments several stories above the ground. The second crashed into the Seattle "Big Wheel" ferris wheel on the waterfront at its upper arc, again well over 400 feet AGL. Both were flying around several helipads that are registered with the FAA, some being hospital air ambulance terminals. Both were flying illegally, called it then and I'll repeat it now.
As for the Fria concept, I'm not in favor of it myself but, until it becomes fact or stays fiction, I'll leave that one alone

Hydro Junkie

Maybe, but for now, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. We may be in what he calls "the In Crowd", but he's definitely one of the "AMA Minions", he just hasn't admitted it to anyone yet, even himself.

FUTABA-RC

Hanson is not an employee of the AMA. He cannot be fired. He is the elected President. The members elected him. You need to make your case to them.

ECHO24

It's AMA who has killed the entire RC flying hobby, past tense, specifically president Hanson's belligerence with
the FAA and all other outrageous actions and the yes-men (and women) at AMA who have gone along with his
schemes and false statements. Franklin had nothing to do with any of it.

That statement in the NPRM that the FAA considered not allowing FRIAs does not have to be in there. In the
following paragraph the FAA estimates 400,000 RC aircraft would be grounded without FRIAs. The FAA could
not do that politically, so that really isn't why it's in there. It is a shot across the bow warning AMA to cease telling
hobbyists they don't have to follow the law.

Hanson's key statements are works of pure deceit. Yet even when spelled out in black and white, the apologists
chose to remain oblivious to how dishonest, broken and dysfunctional top management is at AMA.

FAA's planning is over ten years so FRIAs won't end overnight. Some may go on indefinitely. Count your blessings.

Hydro Junkie

He can be voted out of office by the membership, forced out by the government with a resign or else ultimatum or removed several other ways. No one is untouchable, including Rich Hanson. The problem is he has his "minions" of "yes men" protecting him as well as control of the AMA's publications. Until he's exposed for what he is, something that he's not going to allow if he can avoid it, he's going to stay president and be the leader of a sinking ship

FUTABA-RC

I never said he was untouchable. I merely pointed out he is elected and cannot be "fired" beyond being voted out of office. And you are dreaming if you think the FAA can, or would, do anything to force out the head of a private organization.

Hydro Junkie

Who said anything about the FAA? There is more than one federal organization that can exert pressure on the AMA. The FAA is just the most obvious choice