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Old 11-12-2021, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse Open
Ha ha

Got two strokes to give away! Nobody even wants to pay the shipping,

That 130 is a beauty to look at but just plain too heavy for the power it doesn't make.

The 130 looks like it BELONGS in the Dragonlady,
But that wasn't enough

that 130 I had, and traded it with Harley Dave was in a Stick. sorry I don't know the size. but I thought it had a span shorter than 70 inches. and at that time I didn't even know the plane had a twin in it. BTW, that 130, it was once rebuilt by Horizon,,, then of course by Dave.

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Old 11-12-2021, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse Open
Nevermind,deleted.

Just more overkill



Hey Jim, (the Wasp)

PM your address and I will mail you this stuff!

HP-40 stuff

No problem if you don't want it.
PM sent, but FlyerInOKC said he will take them

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Old 11-12-2021, 07:01 PM
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Take'em Jim they will keep you off the streets and out of trouble!
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Originally Posted by the Wasp
PM sent, but FlyerInOKC said he will take them

Jim

Sending them your way.

The 130 ran just fine after the rebuild . It was the tonnage (weight) of those 130 turds that was just awful in the Dragonlady! The combination was awesome to see but a brick to fly!
The disappointment was the real turn-off.
The methanol fueled FA-125 was an awesome package. The YS 115 will be better yet!
Never wanted to see another 130, I was tempted to nail it on a wall and shoot it full of .223 fmj!

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Old 11-13-2021, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
Take'em Jim they will keep you off the streets and out of trouble!
thanks Mike !! there are a lot of nice people on the Saito Club Page !!
BTW, my wife keeps me off the streets at night. she sold my van and she hides the car keys at night LOL

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Smart lady!
Old 11-13-2021, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by the Wasp
thanks Mike !! there are a lot of nice people on the Saito Club Page !!
BTW, my wife keeps me off the streets at night. she sold my van and she hides the car keys at night LOL

Jim

Heck, my wife puts food on the front seat, fills the tank, puts a cooler of beer in back with blankets and pillows.

She shoves me out the door and locks it behind me!

She says its all about love, must be!
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Hi guys, I have replaced all the o-rings in my Saito 125. The intake manifold o-ring at the head was in real bad shape, but since I took down the engine from the plane, I decided to change all the o-rings.

@ Lonnie (Glowgeek), Dave (1200SportsterRider) & Bert (1967Brutus) I just read your earlier comments on the o-rings. Thanks a lot. On the current Saito carb gasket replacement set (SAI125a91), if they don't include the viton o-ring for the intake manifold anymore, does it mean that it has been replaced by the same type used between the manifold and carb body?

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Originally Posted by rajul
Hi guys, I have replaced all the o-rings in my Saito 125. The intake manifold o-ring at the head was in real bad shape, but since I took down the engine from the plane, I decided to change all the o-rings.

@ Lonnie (Glowgeek), Dave (1200SportsterRider) & Bert (1967Brutus) I just read your earlier comments on the o-rings. Thanks a lot. On the current Saito carb gasket replacement set (SAI125a91), if they don't include the viton o-ring for the intake manifold anymore, does it mean that it has been replaced by the same type used between the manifold and carb body?
If there's not an Oring specifically marked Viton they have probably changed them all to Viton. I would use what is provided in the kit.

Good luck on your project. Nothing sounds better than a Saito that you've had a part in reviving.
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Originally Posted by Glowgeek
If there's not an Oring specifically marked Viton they have probably changed them all to Viton. I would use what is provided in the kit.
The color of the viton o-ring is different. I will check this out when I order a new replacement set.
Old 11-15-2021, 08:39 AM
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I made myself a Saito timing tool It's very precise.

Old 11-15-2021, 06:26 PM
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here's mine : )
it's tight and works well, but I should make another one, this one is made from soft Chinese aluminum, it don't shine well


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LOL!

Tossed mine, it was total overkill.
So overkill it was useless.

I will be using a toothpick wrapped with masking tape to check all the engines I did with the other tool. Surprised they run at all.

"Overkill is overtimed"


Nice tools there fellas.

Really, nice

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Default timing tools

I’m back home for a bit. I go back to the hospital for a couple hours this morning for IV treatments. I will be doing this every day till this bug is completely out of me.

Here are the 2 timing tools I use. Dave had sent me a picture of one made from Nyrod that I made first. Then I machined one. I use the Nyrod one all the time and I think I have only used the machined one twice. I would say the Nyrod is the simple way to go.
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Just curious, how do you use this timing tool?
Old 11-16-2021, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by rajul
Just curious, how do you use this timing tool?

You remove the intake tappet, insert the tool and rotate the cam until the 2mm pin drops into the oil hole drilled in the cam base.

Set the crank at TDC drop cam in place and screw it in place.
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Originally Posted by the Wasp
here's mine : )
it's tight and works well, but I should make another one, this one is made from soft Chinese aluminum, it don't shine well

Jim, I made a second one this AM, it's yours if you want it.

Jim, this one is yours for the accepting.

To satisfy, the message is too short notice.
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Originally Posted by Jesse Open
You remove the intake tappet, insert the tool and rotate the cam until the 2mm pin drops into the oil hole drilled in the cam base.
Set the crank at TDC drop cam in place and screw it in place.
How do you ensure that the crank is exactly at TDC? It would be nice if some video instruction on setting the engine timing is available.

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Use a rubber band to pull it to top.

I would be happy to show you a tool I made for the purpose but not in this forum

Same tool is used for setting CDI sensor pickup.
Spot on every time

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Originally Posted by rajul
How do you ensure that the crank is exactly at TDC? It would be nice if some video instruction on setting the engine timing is available.
Visual. The teething on the crank is coarse enough that, as long as that timing tool is used (camshaft locked) there is zero possibility for mistakes: one tooth out would mean appr 30 degrees before or after top, and that is VERY visible.
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Actually iirc there are 24 teeth on the crank pinion so 1 tooth equals 15 degrees of crank angle.

Since I made a crank tool for initial setup on CDI, I simply use that tool to index TDC.
Not really a must but super easy and very positive.

You can do well by using a rubberband to hold the crankpin at TDC, easy enough to utilize.
Makes a 2-1/2 hand job real easy
I don't happen to have a Saito apart right now but next time, I will post pics.
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Originally Posted by Jesse Open
LOL!

Tossed mine, it was total overkill.
So overkill it was useless.

I will be using a toothpick wrapped with masking tape to check all the engines I did with the other tool. Surprised they run at all.

"Overkill is overtimed"


Nice tools there fellas.

Really, nice

well, there's more that one way to brake a leg LOL

Jim
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Originally Posted by 1967brutus
Visual. The teething on the crank is coarse enough that, as long as that timing tool is used (camshaft locked) there is zero possibility for mistakes: one tooth out would mean appr 30 degrees before or after top, and that is VERY visible.
yes Sr, that there is like jelly on toast it is.

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Originally Posted by Jesse Open
Use a rubber band to pull it to top.

I would be happy to show you a tool I made for the purpose but not in this forum

Same tool is used for setting CDI sensor pickup.
Spot on every time
you posted it once, way back.

Jim
Old 11-17-2021, 03:51 AM
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Something I picked up on when trying the tool out was that the oil hole in the cam bushing is seldom lined up precisely. If the little "nub" on the end of the tool is too long and cannot bottom out, the cam can move around a little.


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