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08-29-2023, 04:48 AM
08-29-2023, 05:06 AM
Someone else getting smok'n deals on 4 strokes.....Pedro. He hits all the swap meets within 4 hours of home and pays next to nothing for complete and repairable Saito and OS engines.
It's getting more and more difficult to find them online cheap enough to justify repair. With the skyrocketed prices for parts its become easier and cheaper in most cases to buy them as very low run time or nib.
Last I checked, a camgear, tappets and bearings would cost in the neighborhood of $110.00 in order to refresh a worn engine with common wear.
Times are a chang'n
It's getting more and more difficult to find them online cheap enough to justify repair. With the skyrocketed prices for parts its become easier and cheaper in most cases to buy them as very low run time or nib.
Last I checked, a camgear, tappets and bearings would cost in the neighborhood of $110.00 in order to refresh a worn engine with common wear.
Times are a chang'n
08-29-2023, 06:29 AM
Yes, wet fueled engines are a great bargain around here.
Very rare where I am forced to replace the camgear assembly.
Even my own high time engines, purchased new long ago. Piling up hours on hours between valve adjustments.
Got this one at the same swap for $25. It runs like new so of course, no need to take it apart!
Amazing how much money is spent because someone needlessly takes an engine apart.
Very rare where I am forced to replace the camgear assembly.
Even my own high time engines, purchased new long ago. Piling up hours on hours between valve adjustments.
Got this one at the same swap for $25. It runs like new so of course, no need to take it apart!
Amazing how much money is spent because someone needlessly takes an engine apart.
Last edited by Jesse Open; 08-29-2023 at 06:39 AM.
08-29-2023, 08:08 AM
I have replaced a crap-ton of tappets and bearings and more than a few camgears in pre-owned Saitos, some of those camgears in engines that didn't appear to be run much. Careless maintenance routines make for expensive repairs.
Keep up with those routine valve lash checks/adjustments and the religious use of ARO folks!
08-29-2023, 09:03 AM
I don't have an X-Ray machine either. I do rely heavily on experience instead. Aside from lifting the valve covers and setting valve lash, removing the rear cover for a look inside. The remainder is mostly a matter of touch and feel. I don't routinely take them apart.
Given a run, in most cases they run fine. Meanwhile, any further problems are dealt with as indicated. In most cases, those that pass initial inspection have done just fine.
On the whole I am way ahead as most of those engines have done very well without need for wholesale parts replacement.
Given a run, in most cases they run fine. Meanwhile, any further problems are dealt with as indicated. In most cases, those that pass initial inspection have done just fine.
On the whole I am way ahead as most of those engines have done very well without need for wholesale parts replacement.
08-29-2023, 03:00 PM
I don't have an X-Ray machine either. I do rely heavily on experience instead. Aside from lifting the valve covers and setting valve lash, removing the rear cover for a look inside. The remainder is mostly a matter of touch and feel. I don't routinely take them apart.
Given a run, in most cases they run fine. Meanwhile, any further problems are dealt with as indicated. In most cases, those that pass initial inspection have done just fine.
On the whole I am way ahead as most of those engines have done very well without need for wholesale parts replacement.
Given a run, in most cases they run fine. Meanwhile, any further problems are dealt with as indicated. In most cases, those that pass initial inspection have done just fine.
On the whole I am way ahead as most of those engines have done very well without need for wholesale parts replacement.
Your method of inspection is inadequate for my purposes. I simply can't afford a hit on my reputation of providing flawless preowned engines to my buyers without complete disassembly and thorough inspection. To pass along an engine with undetected issues is just not going to cut the mustard.
I'm not in this for the money either, I just enjoy seeing these old engines become fully airworthy once again.
That's how I roll brotha.
Last edited by Glowgeek; 08-29-2023 at 04:52 PM.
08-29-2023, 03:43 PM
Like I said, relying on experience, experience with good results.
I am not in the rebuild for resale business. I did that with full size engines for years. That was then.
This is but one hobby, still it is a HOBBY. I do a lot of labor donated work both locally and for a few people online. No charge.
Aside from that, I have passed along third party engines and parts for locals with the understanding that they are as-is and not rebuilt or otherwise inspected. As always if the buyer is not 100% pleased within a reasonable time, a full refund is no problem. For that matter, I have given away dozens of engines in just the last two years.
This is a hobby and I keep it that way. The comments I made were about engines that I personally keep and use.
Little to lose by following that pattern for me.I get a lot of flying in, have fine running engines year after year. My running standards are high.Yet l have not taken up trying to make every used engine a zero time engine. Anybody can assemble an engine from new parts. Trick is knowing when it is not needed.
Bet mine run every bit as well as yours too, Brotha
I am not in the rebuild for resale business. I did that with full size engines for years. That was then.
This is but one hobby, still it is a HOBBY. I do a lot of labor donated work both locally and for a few people online. No charge.
Aside from that, I have passed along third party engines and parts for locals with the understanding that they are as-is and not rebuilt or otherwise inspected. As always if the buyer is not 100% pleased within a reasonable time, a full refund is no problem. For that matter, I have given away dozens of engines in just the last two years.
This is a hobby and I keep it that way. The comments I made were about engines that I personally keep and use.
Little to lose by following that pattern for me.I get a lot of flying in, have fine running engines year after year. My running standards are high.Yet l have not taken up trying to make every used engine a zero time engine. Anybody can assemble an engine from new parts. Trick is knowing when it is not needed.
Bet mine run every bit as well as yours too, Brotha
Last edited by Jesse Open; 08-29-2023 at 03:47 PM.
08-29-2023, 04:55 PM
Like I said, relying on experience, experience with good results.
I am not in the rebuild for resale business. I did that with full size engines for years. That was then.
This is but one hobby, still it is a HOBBY. I do a lot of labor donated work both locally and for a few people online. No charge.
Aside from that, I have passed along third party engines and parts for locals with the understanding that they are as-is and not rebuilt or otherwise inspected. As always if the buyer is not 100% pleased within a reasonable time, a full refund is no problem. For that matter, I have given away dozens of engines in just the last two years.
This is a hobby and I keep it that way. The comments I made were about engines that I personally keep and use.
Little to lose by following that pattern for me.I get a lot of flying in, have fine running engines year after year. My running standards are high.Yet l have not taken up trying to make every used engine a zero time engine. Anybody can assemble an engine from new parts. Trick is knowing when it is not needed.
Bet mine run every bit as well as yours too, Brotha
I am not in the rebuild for resale business. I did that with full size engines for years. That was then.
This is but one hobby, still it is a HOBBY. I do a lot of labor donated work both locally and for a few people online. No charge.
Aside from that, I have passed along third party engines and parts for locals with the understanding that they are as-is and not rebuilt or otherwise inspected. As always if the buyer is not 100% pleased within a reasonable time, a full refund is no problem. For that matter, I have given away dozens of engines in just the last two years.
This is a hobby and I keep it that way. The comments I made were about engines that I personally keep and use.
Little to lose by following that pattern for me.I get a lot of flying in, have fine running engines year after year. My running standards are high.Yet l have not taken up trying to make every used engine a zero time engine. Anybody can assemble an engine from new parts. Trick is knowing when it is not needed.
Bet mine run every bit as well as yours too, Brotha
You roll different.
There's a huge difference in a "money back" guarantee and a "flawless operation" guarantee. Apples and Oranges.
Keep what you want, give away what you want, sell what you want, in any condition you like. In all three cases all of my engines get the exact same treatment. My standards don't change based on what I think I may do with the engine, now or later.
Last edited by Glowgeek; 08-29-2023 at 05:07 PM.
08-29-2023, 07:30 PM
You roll different.
There's a huge difference in a "money back" guarantee and a "flawless operation" guarantee. Apples and Oranges.
Keep what you want, give away what you want, sell what you want, in any condition you like. In all three cases all of my engines get the exact same treatment. My standards don't change based on what I think I may do with the engine, now or later.
There's a huge difference in a "money back" guarantee and a "flawless operation" guarantee. Apples and Oranges.
Keep what you want, give away what you want, sell what you want, in any condition you like. In all three cases all of my engines get the exact same treatment. My standards don't change based on what I think I may do with the engine, now or later.
Thanks so much for your flurry of permissions Of course, it isn't really neccessary
One more time:
The system I explained is how I typically assess engines that I pick up as used before running them.
Has nothing at all to do with the hobby work I do for others.
Rowdog
Thanks for the videos. I especially liked the 90TS!
Last edited by Jesse Open; 08-29-2023 at 07:36 PM.
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08-30-2023, 08:15 AM
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I just got a News Letter from Mark Lanterman at OSMW's, in it he mentions that Dave Brown is very ill and Mark asked for our thought's on Dave's behalf and I'll ask for prayers on Dave' behalf from those willing. Thanks, Dave Hobbs
08-30-2023, 08:29 AM
Very sorry to hear about Dave.
Dave is quite a pioneer of R/C. His products were first rate and very fairly priced. A versatile man too. From radios to airframes, engines and flying, he did it all well.
We always enjoyed chatting with him st the Toledo RC Expo.
Dave your fuel can looks great. Bet you had a good time making it too!
Dave is quite a pioneer of R/C. His products were first rate and very fairly priced. A versatile man too. From radios to airframes, engines and flying, he did it all well.
We always enjoyed chatting with him st the Toledo RC Expo.
Dave your fuel can looks great. Bet you had a good time making it too!
08-30-2023, 09:11 AM
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If I remember correctly both Dave Brown and Mark Lanterman both worked for World Engines back in the day. Both were involved in pattern competition.
08-30-2023, 01:28 PM
Senior Member
Thanks Saito Bud's, I ordered the last two of the Sullivan Pro Flex 2' packages at Tower, the 3/16" is much suitable for the barbs I soldered on to the .125 brass tubes.
I hope Tower orders more.
I hope Tower orders more.
08-30-2023, 04:09 PM
I put your name on the FA-45 Special. But I do have some plans ahead before I let it go.
Took a look inside and it looks fine so I won't be ordering any parts for it yet.
Last edited by Jesse Open; 08-30-2023 at 04:13 PM.
08-30-2023, 04:27 PM
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Hey Gary
I'm still waiting for the last details on the shop building to get finished. I do have a HF rig but the antennas are not up yet. I'm going to go with delta loops for 40 and 75, The beam for the tower will handle everything else. I have a new UHF repeater, but I don't have an antenna for it yet and I'm waiting for the duplexers to get tuned. I've been going to all the Texas swap meets and now have some kits to build and engines. I have got some flying in using the Futaba radios I got from you on 6 meters.
I'll give you a call this weekend. Every time I have a problem with chatter on the CNC lathes I think about giving you a call.
Pedro
I'm still waiting for the last details on the shop building to get finished. I do have a HF rig but the antennas are not up yet. I'm going to go with delta loops for 40 and 75, The beam for the tower will handle everything else. I have a new UHF repeater, but I don't have an antenna for it yet and I'm waiting for the duplexers to get tuned. I've been going to all the Texas swap meets and now have some kits to build and engines. I have got some flying in using the Futaba radios I got from you on 6 meters.
I'll give you a call this weekend. Every time I have a problem with chatter on the CNC lathes I think about giving you a call.
Pedro
09-01-2023, 03:11 AM
Senior Member
I've got a fun month coming up at FARCC
Fall Jet Together: September 13th through September 16th.
Fall Heli Mow Down: September 28th through October 1st.
Fall Warbirds and Classics over Fredericksburg: October 12th through 14th.
Fall Jet Together: September 13th through September 16th.
Fall Heli Mow Down: September 28th through October 1st.
Fall Warbirds and Classics over Fredericksburg: October 12th through 14th.
09-01-2023, 03:18 AM
Senior Member
https://ch-ignitions.com/product-cat...drive-upgrade/
This may be of interest to some of you triple owners.
This may be of interest to some of you triple owners.
09-01-2023, 04:40 AM
Looks like you will have a busy September and October!
09-01-2023, 05:48 AM
Heading to PA in October will be picking up a load of methanol to burn in my fleet of sub- standard clunkers for next year. Maybe make a little extension to the trip. Love to see Dave fly.