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11-19-2009, 10:07 PM
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My 3 saitos all came in those coloured boxes (82 ,100Tand a 125 here in aus. ) I have only put the 82 in service and it has run flawlessly for approx. 200 flights. Its my favourite engine and technically speaking its the ducks guts. Cheers the pope
11-19-2009, 10:18 PM
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Hello; Starting a stiff new 150 can be quite a task; I have had success with a normal starter if you start with the carb closed, and as it's spinning open the throttle.
That way things ca get a bit of inertia happening before the mixture is introduced.
Two weeks ago I had a new 150 on a bench mount, I had a huge 16 x 8 prop on it, no spinner just the prop nut. It would kick on the back flip but not catch. My starter would stall when it came up on compression unless the carb was closed, then it would spin around 3000 rpm - - aha!
Try for yourself, you already have all the equipment needed
That way things ca get a bit of inertia happening before the mixture is introduced.
Two weeks ago I had a new 150 on a bench mount, I had a huge 16 x 8 prop on it, no spinner just the prop nut. It would kick on the back flip but not catch. My starter would stall when it came up on compression unless the carb was closed, then it would spin around 3000 rpm - - aha!
Try for yourself, you already have all the equipment needed
11-19-2009, 11:00 PM
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Thanks for "closed carby" trick. I will definitely give that a try. I had one of the high torque starters but I did not know it was and gave it away before trying it on a large engine. Idiot.
The model is an ARF Four Star 120 which a friend imported to Oz from the US but he since has discovered the H9 Pulse series and decided to get the big Pulse and sold me the four Star for which I am quite happy. Had it been a kit version, I would have been even happier as the covering job on the ARF is a bit marginal and I can see it causing problems in time.
My friend build an ARF Four Star 60 with a Saito 115 in it. It flew well but he managed to get a bit disoriented one morning and lost it in the sun and as a result tried to fly it through our trees with inevitable results. He was going to scrap it but I rebuilt it for him and he is still flying it though now with a TT 60. He likes the higher speed. I don't.
Mike
Thanks for "closed carby" trick. I will definitely give that a try. I had one of the high torque starters but I did not know it was and gave it away before trying it on a large engine. Idiot.
The model is an ARF Four Star 120 which a friend imported to Oz from the US but he since has discovered the H9 Pulse series and decided to get the big Pulse and sold me the four Star for which I am quite happy. Had it been a kit version, I would have been even happier as the covering job on the ARF is a bit marginal and I can see it causing problems in time.
My friend build an ARF Four Star 60 with a Saito 115 in it. It flew well but he managed to get a bit disoriented one morning and lost it in the sun and as a result tried to fly it through our trees with inevitable results. He was going to scrap it but I rebuilt it for him and he is still flying it though now with a TT 60. He likes the higher speed. I don't.
Mike
11-20-2009, 11:57 AM
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G'day
Thanks for ''closed carby'' trick. I will definitely give that a try. I had one of the high torque starters but I did not know it was and gave it away before trying it on a large engine. Idiot.
The model is an ARF Four Star 120 which a friend imported to Oz from the US but he since has discovered the H9 Pulse series and decided to get the big Pulse and sold me the four Star for which I am quite happy. Had it been a kit version, I would have been even happier as the covering job on the ARF is a bit marginal and I can see it causing problems in time.
My friend build an ARF Four Star 60 with a Saito 115 in it. It flew well but he managed to get a bit disoriented one morning and lost it in the sun and as a result tried to fly it through our trees with inevitable results. He was going to scrap it but I rebuilt it for him and he is still flying it though now with a TT 60. He likes the higher speed. I don't.
Mike
G'day
Thanks for ''closed carby'' trick. I will definitely give that a try. I had one of the high torque starters but I did not know it was and gave it away before trying it on a large engine. Idiot.
The model is an ARF Four Star 120 which a friend imported to Oz from the US but he since has discovered the H9 Pulse series and decided to get the big Pulse and sold me the four Star for which I am quite happy. Had it been a kit version, I would have been even happier as the covering job on the ARF is a bit marginal and I can see it causing problems in time.
My friend build an ARF Four Star 60 with a Saito 115 in it. It flew well but he managed to get a bit disoriented one morning and lost it in the sun and as a result tried to fly it through our trees with inevitable results. He was going to scrap it but I rebuilt it for him and he is still flying it though now with a TT 60. He likes the higher speed. I don't.
Mike
The old standard Sullivan starters would start large engines when connected to a serious car or truck battery. This isn't theory - it is a fact.
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11-20-2009, 12:14 PM
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I used the standard Tower Hobbies heavy duty starter, and connected it to a black & decker 18-volt electric drill battery... the two pieces were held together with velcro straps. It started my Saito 180 with no problems, and no electric cables dangling around to get wrapped around the prop!
11-20-2009, 08:49 PM
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I use one of the car jumper-booster batteries, because it has an air-compressor that I use for my retracts, it's 17.5 amp-hours.
When I start my Saito 180 with it, the sullivan starter turns it faster than it idles and I never really know if it's running until I remove the starter. (It is always running).
On a side note about my Saito 180, I am having trouble finding the right prop. 10% Wildcat Extra Premium. 700' elevation. MA 18x6 is not enough prop and it winds way too high in the air. The 18x8 is better but it is at only 7900 on the ground. The 16x8 3-blader is 9300 on the ground and while it doesn't unload as much as the MA 18x6 in the air, it still sounds too fast. I just ordered a 16x10 3-blader, but the pickings are getting slim.
What do you boys use on your Saito 180?
When I start my Saito 180 with it, the sullivan starter turns it faster than it idles and I never really know if it's running until I remove the starter. (It is always running).
On a side note about my Saito 180, I am having trouble finding the right prop. 10% Wildcat Extra Premium. 700' elevation. MA 18x6 is not enough prop and it winds way too high in the air. The 18x8 is better but it is at only 7900 on the ground. The 16x8 3-blader is 9300 on the ground and while it doesn't unload as much as the MA 18x6 in the air, it still sounds too fast. I just ordered a 16x10 3-blader, but the pickings are getting slim.
What do you boys use on your Saito 180?
11-20-2009, 09:23 PM
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Mike, you might want to try a Graupner 16x8 three blade from Hobby-Lobby, it looks cooler and and bites harder. I supplied a link because they have an absolutely horrible website, you used to be able to click on Graupner Super Nylon props and go right to them.
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/16x8_prop...e_403_prd1.htm
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/16x8_prop...e_403_prd1.htm
11-20-2009, 09:29 PM
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you will get more power and HP with high RPM
9000+ for FA-180 is not too much
if you are seeking sport flying then the 16x8 is the perfect one
if you find 17x7 it will even better choice
for 3D the 18x6 is good
That all with low nitro
9000+ for FA-180 is not too much
if you are seeking sport flying then the 16x8 is the perfect one
if you find 17x7 it will even better choice
for 3D the 18x6 is good
That all with low nitro
11-20-2009, 09:48 PM
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Ahh yes: I had forgotten about Graupner. They are some hard-turning props compared to MA.
At 10,000+ RPM in the air and the TurboHeader, it makes one attention-grabbing scream, let me tell ya.
At 10,000+ RPM in the air and the TurboHeader, it makes one attention-grabbing scream, let me tell ya.
11-20-2009, 10:12 PM
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Only the ones from Horizon are in white boxes and that happened in 2001
Only the ones from Horizon are in white boxes and that happened in 2001
11-20-2009, 10:18 PM
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Certain size Graupners do turn hard, for example the 12.5x7 three blade turns much harder than the 12x8 three blade.
Sorry about the Edit note, I accidently hit the Edit instead of reply.
Sorry about the Edit note, I accidently hit the Edit instead of reply.
11-20-2009, 10:25 PM
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Is there any way to tell just how old a Saito motor is? My 450 came in a silver box. Everything is in excellent shape, but it is a silver colored box.
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Only the ones from Horizon are in white boxes and that happened in 2001
Only the ones from Horizon are in white boxes and that happened in 2001
The 450 is not very common mainly because of it's cost. I've never seen one except in the North Canton OH Hobby shop
I have a 90R3 that was in a silver box. Don't know the actual age but it looks as up to date as a new one on Horizon's web site
11-20-2009, 11:36 PM
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this one looks pretty current also.. box is in new condition, everything else was unopened. The manual does refer to Horizon for support and returns. I guess it really doesn't matter whether it's one or ten years old... it is what it is! Can't wait to get this thing mounted and fired up.
11-21-2009, 06:41 AM
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For those of us who insist on hand starting, here's the glove to get.
http://www.bennettbuilt.com/page9.htm
B & B PILOT GLOVE $16.95
The ultimate in hand protection. The first two fingers have extra padding, top & bottom, for that extra protection needed when prop or spring starting. Top grain leather. Right hand available only.
http://www.bennettbuilt.com/page9.htm
B & B PILOT GLOVE $16.95
The ultimate in hand protection. The first two fingers have extra padding, top & bottom, for that extra protection needed when prop or spring starting. Top grain leather. Right hand available only.
11-21-2009, 09:01 AM
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Hmmm, I just went up on the Horizon Hobby website to see the current cost on the .82 Golden Knight... they're not showing it. They show the .72 GK and the regular 82 (non-GK). Did the website foul something up, or is the GK no longer being issued (which would be hard to believe)?
Bob
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11-21-2009, 09:13 AM
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Horizon paid big money for smart software that returns searches as to what the software thinks you really want????
I'm sure the engine is there somewhaere? You just have to trick the search engine that knows more than you about what you want.
Now you really didn't want to buy a GK? You were just looking right? The software knew this, Hah Hah
The FG-14 disappeared off the site too. But after trying everything I could think of, it finally came up.
I'm sure the engine is there somewhaere? You just have to trick the search engine that knows more than you about what you want.
Now you really didn't want to buy a GK? You were just looking right? The software knew this, Hah Hah
The FG-14 disappeared off the site too. But after trying everything I could think of, it finally came up.
11-21-2009, 10:00 AM
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Hmmm, thanks I didn't notice the 82b, per se. I just did a search for the Saito 82.
Well, if Horizon Hobby is listening... (to go along with what W8YE says), how can I buy one if I don't start thinking about it first???
I'll keep myeyes open. Don't need it right now anyway, just looking out of curiosity.
Thanks, Guys
Bob
Well, if Horizon Hobby is listening... (to go along with what W8YE says), how can I buy one if I don't start thinking about it first???
I'll keep myeyes open. Don't need it right now anyway, just looking out of curiosity.
Thanks, Guys
Bob